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		<title>By: more</title>
		<link>http://dearscience.org/2007/08/21/big-boned-fat/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>more</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;hi...&lt;/strong&gt;

super!...</description>
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<p>super!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://dearscience.org/2007/08/21/big-boned-fat/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a legal and ethical question, right?

From a legal POV, yes I am well within &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fair use&lt;/A&gt;.
Specifically:
1. This is clearly a non-profit educational use of the material.

2. Only a tiny portion of the figures in the paper -- this is a Cell paper after all, dense enough to prevent light from escaping -- is shown here.

3. If you were going to pay to read the article, what I posted isn&#039;t enough to dissuade you from doing so.

Posting the full PDF would be clearly out of bounds; this is quite mild in comparison.

From an ethical point of view, I&#039;ve clearly cited the source of these figures, and I&#039;ve not claimed credit for the work; this isn&#039;t plagiarism. From a utilitarian point-of-view, I&#039;ve provided publicity for the authors, the study, the field of research, the results and the Journal itself.

Whew. Enough defensive posturing.

My question to you: Isn&#039;t it ethically repugnant to commercially copyright -- and prevent the public from accessing for decades -- the results of publicly funded research?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a legal and ethical question, right?</p>
<p>From a legal POV, yes I am well within <a href="http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html" rel="nofollow">fair use</a>.<br />
Specifically:<br />
1. This is clearly a non-profit educational use of the material.</p>
<p>2. Only a tiny portion of the figures in the paper &#8212; this is a Cell paper after all, dense enough to prevent light from escaping &#8212; is shown here.</p>
<p>3. If you were going to pay to read the article, what I posted isn&#8217;t enough to dissuade you from doing so.</p>
<p>Posting the full PDF would be clearly out of bounds; this is quite mild in comparison.</p>
<p>From an ethical point of view, I&#8217;ve clearly cited the source of these figures, and I&#8217;ve not claimed credit for the work; this isn&#8217;t plagiarism. From a utilitarian point-of-view, I&#8217;ve provided publicity for the authors, the study, the field of research, the results and the Journal itself.</p>
<p>Whew. Enough defensive posturing.</p>
<p>My question to you: Isn&#8217;t it ethically repugnant to commercially copyright &#8212; and prevent the public from accessing for decades &#8212; the results of publicly funded research?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Robey</title>
		<link>http://dearscience.org/2007/08/21/big-boned-fat/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Robey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Science,

Are you even partially concerned about your use of Cell&#039;s figures?  I know you will point out the fair use clause related to publishing in general, but you present a lot of copyrighted material here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Science,</p>
<p>Are you even partially concerned about your use of Cell&#8217;s figures?  I know you will point out the fair use clause related to publishing in general, but you present a lot of copyrighted material here!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Golob</title>
		<link>http://dearscience.org/2007/08/21/big-boned-fat/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Golob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should go and add the citations. Laziness took hold before I converted all the Endnote citations to hyperlinks. Still, you&#039;re right.

Thank-you for reading.

Here is a &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&amp;Cmd=ShowDetailView&amp;TermToSearch=17498507&amp;ordinalpos=5&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;decent review covering the endocrine regulation of energy balence&lt;/A&gt;. 

For the claim that weight is genetically regulated, there are many many studies. Among the most recent is one &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&amp;Cmd=ShowDetailView&amp;TermToSearch=17384662&amp;ordinalpos=11&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;following monozygotic and dizygotic twins to age 18&lt;/A&gt;.

The &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&amp;Cmd=ShowDetailView&amp;TermToSearch= 16242735&amp;ordinalpos=11&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;increase in obesity&lt;/A&gt; is from WHO and CDC stats. Pretty shocking, eh?

For the strict regulation of how much we eat is mostly from that &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&amp;Cmd=ShowDetailView&amp;TermToSearch=17498507&amp;ordinalpos=5&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;review&lt;/A&gt;, and some seminars I&#039;ve attended at the UW.

The resetting of the endocrine system to maintain a higher weight in Obese individuals was also mostly from seminars. 

For the fat-and-fit notion, there are also several studies. One recently demonstated that obese individuals who are active &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&amp;Cmd=ShowDetailView&amp;TermToSearch=17646606&amp;ordinalpos=2&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;have less visceral fat&lt;/A&gt;--the kind of fat that causes the most grief.

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should go and add the citations. Laziness took hold before I converted all the Endnote citations to hyperlinks. Still, you&#8217;re right.</p>
<p>Thank-you for reading.</p>
<p>Here is a <a HREF="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&amp;Cmd=ShowDetailView&amp;TermToSearch=17498507&amp;ordinalpos=5&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" rel="nofollow">decent review covering the endocrine regulation of energy balence</a>. </p>
<p>For the claim that weight is genetically regulated, there are many many studies. Among the most recent is one <a HREF="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&amp;Cmd=ShowDetailView&amp;TermToSearch=17384662&amp;ordinalpos=11&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" rel="nofollow">following monozygotic and dizygotic twins to age 18</a>.</p>
<p>The <a HREF="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&amp;Cmd=ShowDetailView&amp;TermToSearch= 16242735&amp;ordinalpos=11&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" rel="nofollow">increase in obesity</a> is from WHO and CDC stats. Pretty shocking, eh?</p>
<p>For the strict regulation of how much we eat is mostly from that <a HREF="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&amp;Cmd=ShowDetailView&amp;TermToSearch=17498507&amp;ordinalpos=5&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" rel="nofollow">review</a>, and some seminars I&#8217;ve attended at the UW.</p>
<p>The resetting of the endocrine system to maintain a higher weight in Obese individuals was also mostly from seminars. </p>
<p>For the fat-and-fit notion, there are also several studies. One recently demonstated that obese individuals who are active <a HREF="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&amp;Cmd=ShowDetailView&amp;TermToSearch=17646606&amp;ordinalpos=2&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" rel="nofollow">have less visceral fat</a>&#8211;the kind of fat that causes the most grief.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://dearscience.org/2007/08/21/big-boned-fat/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Science,

Do you have any citations for the claims made in the first three paragraphs of your post? I&#039;m not necessarily disputing them, just curious about the source.

all best, 

.  j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Science,</p>
<p>Do you have any citations for the claims made in the first three paragraphs of your post? I&#8217;m not necessarily disputing them, just curious about the source.</p>
<p>all best, </p>
<p>.  j</p>
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